{"id":824,"date":"2014-05-28T00:57:32","date_gmt":"2014-05-28T00:57:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thebottlefarm.com\/ProjetsThoughts2\/?p=824"},"modified":"2014-05-28T01:06:10","modified_gmt":"2014-05-28T01:06:10","slug":"plan-c-batch-number-three-daisy-cutter-clone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/plan-c-batch-number-three-daisy-cutter-clone\/","title":{"rendered":"Plan C, batch number three of the Daisy cutter clone."},"content":{"rendered":"

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The third batch of the Daisy cutter came hot on the heels of batch #2, brewed just one week later. One might think it\u2019s boring brewing the same beer over again, but I\u2019ve found it\u2019s the opposite. The challenge of trying to get repeatability and predictability and improvement from my brewing system is thrilling. Brewing batch two showed me more things that I needed to work on with my process. These are the nuances that I’d otherwise not pick up by brewing a new recipe each time. I\u2019m seeing parts of my process that have been close enough, but that doesn\u2019t cut it when you are trying to hit the same numbers again. One that caught my attention in the second batch was volume measurements of strike, sparge, runoff, and pre and post boil. I\u2019ve jumped around between different brewing vessels so much, that it\u2019s hard to remember which measurement is what volume in a specific pot. Before brewing batch 3 I took some measurements so I knew how much volume my total run off should be, and what my post boil volume should also be. With these measurement and my gravity notes, I\u2019ll be able to tell and tune my efficiency going forward. I feel like I\u2019m slowly working out small process issues, as well as incrementally improve the recipe.<\/p>\n

One thing that I forgot to mention in my earlier posts, is that I’ve been exchanging ideas and notes about brewing this beer <\/a>on Homebrew talk for well over three years. I’m not a very active contributor, I visit that forum frequently to research ideas, and seek out clone recipes and details. While I was there, skawars1<\/a>\u00a0pointed out an interview with the Gabriel Magliaro of Half Acre brewing on the brewing network<\/a>. In the interview Gabriel shares quite a bit of detail about brewing daisy cutter, and other half acre beers. These are my notes from the interview:<\/p>\n

Notes from the podcast:<\/p>\n

Two row – They mention Rahr for their basemalt in most of their beers when talking about Space. However they don’t mention which rahr two row, it’s my understanding there are a few varieties.
\nVictory
\nSpecial Roast
\nCastle Aromatic AKA Castle Abbey Malt<\/p>\n

Bitter with Warrior
\nMid\/Late additions-Simcoe, Amarillo, 7Cs
\nDry hop-Simcoe, Amarillo, Columbus, 7Cs<\/p>\n

Ferment at 65. Using BSI – chico yeast.
\nWhich I think is this:<\/p>\n

A-56 Chico Ale<\/a><\/p>\n

Dry hop for 6 days, at nearly terminal gravity.
\nTerminal gravity is less than 2* plato<\/p>\n

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The the grain bill matches the version I got back in 2011. I did pickup is that they use Rahr as their base malt. I\u2019ve tried to see if there is a significant difference between Canadian\u00a0Superior Pale Ale I used and Rahr. What I can tell is they are considered to be similar.\u00a0I think the hop changes vs what I recieved as the recipe are due to hop shortages, and not meant as improvements. Centenial has been really hard to source the past few years. I won\u2019t be switching to falconers flight, it seems like a down grade in my opinion. The<\/p>\n

Batch 1:\u00a0http:\/\/thebottlefarm.com\/ProjetsThoughts2\/brewing-daisy-cutter-clone\/<\/a>
\nBatch 1 tasting notes: http:\/\/thebottlefarm.com\/ProjetsThoughts2\/daisy-cutter-clone-review\/<\/a><\/p>\n

Batch 2:\u00a0http:\/\/thebottlefarm.com\/ProjetsThoughts2\/taking-second-chop-daisy-cutter\/<\/a>
\nBatch 2 Recipe:\u00a0http:\/\/beersmithrecipes.com\/viewrecipe\/445767\/sb-daisy-cutter-clone-all-grain<\/a><\/p>\n

Recipe Changes for Batch 3<\/p>\n

http:\/\/beersmithrecipes.com\/viewrecipe\/455425\/sb-daisy-cutter-clone-all-grain<\/a><\/div>\n
Remove marris otter for 100%\u00a0Superior Pale Ale as the base malt. Increase calcium, sulfates, and chlorides to 100ppm. Increase the 10m centennial addition, and remove the whirlpool centennial addition.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n

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Process changes for Batch 3<\/p>\n

Calibrate volumes from my kettle to the tun, from the tun to the boil kettle, from the kettle to the fermenter. Start using my brew day box<\/p>\n

I’m planning two more batches, I haven’t determined the hopping changes for these batches, and what my water additions will be but the plan is to do malt bills similar to 2 and 3 and using us05 instead of 1968.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Batch 3 is now in the keg and ready for taste testing, but I need to clean my lines before this gets sampled. I\u2019m planning on doing a four way taste test with batches 1-3 and the original thanks to my buddy JD. Should be interesting to see how they all compare.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The third batch of the Daisy cutter came hot on the heels of batch #2, brewed just one week later. One might think it\u2019s boring brewing the same beer over again, but I\u2019ve found it\u2019s the opposite. The challenge of trying to get repeatability and predictability and improvement from my brewing system is thrilling. Brewing batch two showed me more things that I needed to work on with my process. These are the nuances that I’d otherwise not pick up by brewing a new recipe each time. I\u2019m seeing parts of my process that have been close enough, but that doesn\u2019t cut it when you are trying to hit the same numbers again. One that caught my attention in the second batch was volume measurements of strike, sparge, runoff, and pre and post boil. I\u2019ve jumped around between different brewing vessels so much, that it\u2019s hard to remember which measurement is what volume in a specific pot. Before brewing batch 3 I took some measurements so I knew how much volume my total run off should be, and what my post boil volume should also be. With these measurement and my gravity notes, I\u2019ll be able to tell and tune my efficiency going forward. I feel like I\u2019m slowly working out small process issues, as well as incrementally improve the recipe. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":822,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[117,36,8,37,6,12],"class_list":["post-824","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-projects-and-thoughts","tag-117","tag-all-grain","tag-amarillo","tag-american-pale-ale","tag-brew-log","tag-clone"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/824","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=824"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/824\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/822"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=824"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=824"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.thebottlefarm.com\/wpbottle\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=824"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}